Emiko Inagaki, if I let go of the appliances, "I should have not had everything unexpectedly."

Shuichi Yamagoku, Emiko Inagaki

TOKYO FM's program "Mitsui Home PRESENTS Curators -My Style x Yuus Style-" is a TOKYO FM program, which is a musician, designer, writer, actor, actor, craftsman, etc.The guest this time is Emiko Inagaki (freelancer) x Juichi Yamagoku (Director of the General Global Environmental Research Institute).Here we talked about what we noticed away from a convenient life.

Inagaki is a trademark of Afro hair, who works as a freelancer. He was a former Asahi Shimbun reporter, who worked as the Asahi Shimbun editorial committee member and editorial committee member after working in the Weekly Asahi editorial department, and left the company in 2016 at the age of 50. Since she has been looking for a life without her husband, no child, no refrigerator, no gas contract. On the other hand, Mr. Yamagoku is known as a primate scholar and a gorilla researcher. After graduating from Kyoto University Faculty of Science, he got his doctorate at the graduate school. He became a professor at the University of Kyoto University and became President of Kyoto University. Currently, he is the director of the National Institute of Global Environmental Studies, which studies global environmental issues from a comprehensive perspective, such as human science and social sciences, as well as natural sciences. Inagaki, who lives a super -power saving life of 200 yen a month, and Yamagoku, who lived with gorillas in the African forest as a member of the wild gorilla. This is the first meeting.

◆ Try away from a convenient life

Yamagoku: By the way, it is hard to do intense power saving in the city? Inagaki: In the newspaper reporter, the Great East Japan Earthquake and the nuclear accident occurred, and I think everyone had the impression that it might be difficult to continue the society that rely on the nuclear power plant. I started with one of them, "Let's try to reduce the electricity bill for the time being," and stopped using electronic range, vacuum cleaners, TVs, refrigerators, washing machines. If you try to do it with death, it would have been better to have nothing. Rather than inconvenient, if not, try to do something by yourself. I realized that I forgot it. I realized that it was very fun to do everything with a little device, and I realized that it would be more comfortable to be unexpected. Yamagoku: I had a camp life in Africa, which had nothing to do with anything, and I went back and forth in Japan, but my life was not inconvenient. Even if there is no electricity, no refrigerator, or one match, local people can ignite. But fire is important. It's cold at night, and what you eat is dangerous if you don't burn it. There are many parasites in the tropics. There is no smartphone (I can use it) because there is no electricity. The bath is a river. It is comfortable. But when you come back to Japan, you can return to everything. Inagaki: Are you both uncomfortable? Yamagoku: No discomfort. However, you have to assemble the day well. It takes time one by one. You have to cook, wash, and wash your body. When you go to the river, you wash it with the flow of washing your body, dry it, and take it in when it rains. If you don't spend the day's setup, you will have to do it. Inagaki: In the city, water supply comes out, and you can do it quite a bit without setting up that far. Yamagoku: The modern crisis is in the direction of saving time and trying to create free time. Everyone had free time, but I've been watching the net for a long time. If you live in the forest, you will save time and assemble various things that you do not need for living, and then create time to observe gorillas. It can be a gorilla or a plant or a bird. I'm looking forward to it and I like walking. But in the city, everything is convenient, and after all, you can't get the feeling that you are involved and various things change, so you feel that you are being moved. I felt like I was doing it, not myself. I guess that is frustrating (caused). For example, if the washing machine does not move or the gas is not attached, you will not be able to fix it by yourself, so you will feel like you have cut off. A person who is originally an analog becomes a digital, in short, a machine. It's hard to feel like that. Inagaki: That's right. (TOKYO FM program "Mitsui Home PRESENTS Curers -My Style x Yu Style-")