A man who has made efforts to become poor and has an annual income of 500,000 yen talks about "Do you really want to be poor?"

Do you know a man named "Shinmei P"? I'm sure many of you don't know this, so please take a look at the following background.

・ Born in Osaka in 1988. He graduated from the Faculty of Law at the University of Tokyo and joined DeNA (annual income of 5 million yen at the time of new graduation).

・ Although he works as a game producer for overseas, he left the company in 2016 and moved to Kagoshima, which has no connection with him for some reason. As an administrative employee, he was engaged in setting up an educational base in partnership with Kadokawa's Internet high school (annual income reduced by 3 million yen to 2 million yen).

・ In 2018, when he turned 30, he started a "demon commentary" that explains the books that are being talked about in the streets so that they can be understood more than reading the books. On the other hand, he made his debut as a comedian and challenged the "R-1 Grand Prix". Is 4 yen)

While having a brilliant career such as graduating from Tokyo University and joining DeNA, he lost his regular job and currently has a deposit balance of 4 yen. It's easy to see that he is a special person. Such Shinmei P said, "I'm poor and the happiness of his life has reached its peak," and he is causing confusion around him. What the hell is that ...? In fact, I asked him about the theory of "money and happiness", saying that he may be attracting attention from some people as a talented person who will change the world in the future !? What is the true meaning of the remark "Do you really want to be poor?"

Asada: From my background, Shinmei P seems to live " away from money ."

He was told by the people around him that " there is money = death " ... what does that mean?

Shinmei P: Ah, death may have been a little overstated.

At that time, I was a little excited to hear the music that made me sad ...

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Shinmei P: What I want to say is that there is money = nothingness .

Since I was little, I grew up without having to worry about money, so I didn't feel like I was alive for a long time, and I had the feeling that I wasn't touching my life.

That's why I've made a lot of efforts to become poor.

Asada: Efforts to become poor ...?

I'm already full of doubts, but did you have a chance to think that way?

Shinmei P: When I was eight years old, when I told my mother that I was going to a candy store with my friends, they gave me 5,000 yen .

Asada: 5000 yen for a candy store. It's a little too much ...

Shinmei P: I thought the moment I got it. No, many? When. When I went to a candy store while feeling a big sense of discomfort, there were many.

The money my friend brought was 100 yen, but there was nothing I couldn't buy at the candy store . For example, Kyabetsu Taro can buy 166 pieces .

Asada: (I like Kyabetsu Taro ...)

Shinmei P: A space where you don't have to think about what to buy or whether you really should buy sweets in the first place.

At that time , I thought, "It's useless to have a lot of money ." It feels like that feeling has been trailing for 22 years from the age of 8 to today ...

It's been trailing for a long time

Asada: In the first place, is your parents' home very wealthy?

Shinmei P: It's a normal household at all!

However, I was a child when my mother was 40 years old and my father was 38 years old, and I think I was a little spoiled because it was a little late. I need one million! I think he would say that.

Asada: It's insanely spoiled .

Shinmei P: So I never had a problem when I needed money.

Naturally, I got the feeling of saving myself . I somehow thought "Is this really necessary?" Or "Isn't it necessary?" And became a child with a mysterious self-control that doesn't ask parents.

Asada: I see. But even if you spend a lot of money in your childhood, don't you make your own money when you become a member of society?

Did you feel that you don't need money when you grow up?

Shinmei P: At that time, DeNA had a uniform annual income of 5 million yen (university graduate). Then, a senior at that time told me, " Don't save money when you're young! Use everything and invest in your own growth. " That's why I was enthusiastic.

But my greed sensor was completely blown up in the candy store incident.

For the time being, the only thing that came to my mind was sushi.

Asada: Is it sushi ...?

Shinmei P: Yes. Spend money = sushi. That's why I decided to eat as much sushi as I wanted when I wanted to.

But even if you eat and drink like that, you will only save money . It looks like it's no good ... I have money, but I can't use it.

I think it wasn't like "use money" that my senior said

Asada: Like there was more ... For example, did you want to live in a good house?

Shinmei P: There is no particular desire to live in a large house as long as it is at the station Chika. I still live in a tatami mat room, but I have no inconvenience.

Even if I live in a large house, I'm so cluttered that the space I can use is about 2 tatami mats.

Only when she was able to do it, I was enthusiastic and went to the pharmacy because I didn't have a set of shampoo for girls, like "Hair will be a lifetime? Let's buy a good one !?"

Shinmei P talks about a room with two tatami mats with a big smile

Asada: I still don't understand ... What are the benefits of "no money" ?

Shinmei P: It's more purely fun than merit.

For example, isn't it the most fun when you're playing a role-playing game or thinking "what should I do?"

I have the items I absolutely need, but I don't have enough money. How can I overcome this difficult situation?

Asada: That's right.

Shinmei P: At such an exciting timing, suddenly money or items pawn! If you are given, "What is this game! It's not fun !?"

That's the situation both when I'm at my parents' house and when I'm an office worker. There was no time for me to devise my life because of the feeling of deficiency.

So in my case, I decided to go to the "harder mode dungeon " myself.

Asada: From myself ...?

Shinmei P: I have traveled to developing countries with my backpack.

About 30 countries, including San Pedro Sula (Honduras), the city with the highest felony rate in the world.

Every time I experience "a situation next to the danger of life", I managed to overcome it, okay! Like.

Asada: It seems that pop is dying several times, but you can feel that you are alive!

Shinmei P: But, as I repeated it, I noticed it. "This kind of poor trip is a lie."

I intentionally create the situation myself, and when I return to Japan, I have a daily life that is not inconvenient . At first I was satisfied, but then it became boring.

So this time, I swore that I would make my whole life like a backpack trip ...

Asada: I want to make my whole life an adventure. So did you retire from DeNA and move to Kagoshima?

Shinmei P: That's right. So I did a job in Dwango's education business and a job in translation.

Shinmei P: Recently, like me, I often hear stories of young people like "I worked in Tokyo, but moved to a rural area and started farming."

It's like moving from an annual income of 5 million yen to 6 million yen, feeling "what's the point?" It's super hard to double your income, but it doesn't double your happiness.

Asada: Certainly.

Shinmei P: The joy of getting a job of 50,000 yen with an annual income of 0 yen is far greater than that .

If the crops grow properly and you can eat rice, you will be "happy!", And even if you devise a house with insufficient protection against the cold and get warm, you will be "comfortable! Happy!" That's right.

Asada: Is it rational?

Shinmei P: The point is to increase the swing width. Basically, I think it is difficult to improve happiness by maintaining the status quo. Because emotions move with changes such as increase and decrease.

To be honest, in the current situation of the Japanese economy, the salary of most people does not rise so suddenly. That's why everyone gets boring every day.

I think that's what it means to quit a major company and change jobs to a venture company. My selfish view is, "You really want to be poor, don't you?"

Asada: Shinmei P isn't the only one who wants to be poor ...?

Shinmei P: I think there are some people who have experienced a really difficult life, but in fact, I think there are many such people in Japan today.

Someone who says, " I'm living a good life above the middle class, but I don't enjoy every day ."

Shinmei P: Maybe I felt that kind of crisis when I was a kid.

Do you understand the program that was broadcasted in the past, " Every time you see it, it's full of waves "?

Asada: I understand! good old days…

* Always in full swing: Talk variety program broadcast on NTV from 1992 to 2008

Shinmei P: Oh, I liked my parents so watch it every week.

The content was that an enka singer or actor came out and looked back on life through a reproduction VTR, but most of the successful people have managed to survive the super hard mode stage, such as experiencing terrible poverty when they were small . is.

If you watch it, you can't be spoiled by yourself. You can never be like Sabu-chan at this rate! I had thought.

Asada: The original experience was really turbulent.

Asada: But if you don't have money, you risk it, right? For example, what do you do if you get sick?

Shinmei P : Hmm.

Well, that's why I don't recommend other people to be poor (laughs).

Shinmei P: But I'm sorry for the parable of the game, but it would be strange if there was a person who " saves only money without adventuring at all because HP may decrease " in RPG.

If you have money, you should buy more items and recommend the game, so when you are fine or you don't need weapons, you can buy 0 money.

Asada: That's true in the game ...

Shinmei P: What's different in reality is that most people are presumed to be "equal death without money."

I'm scared because I've never died, and I can't see it objectively.

Therefore , I overreact to something like "how much should I save by the age of ○", and I have to save for the time being .

Asada: "I'm embarrassed if I don't save by the age of 30," or I'm worried when compared to my friends.

Shinmei P: But when I actually made a deposit of 4 yen, I posted on Facebook that "the balance has reached 4 yen! " They sent me a job, and they introduced me to my job from the story, "I'm going to buy rice, so please talk about my job."

I knew that if you had the skills or had a connection with people, you wouldn't be "death without money."

Even in Kagoshima, where I live now, people around me give me lots of vegetables and fish.

This smile.I can understand the feeling of wanting to give vegetables and fish

Asada: I see.

Shinmei P: So the lack of money and the fear of death are no longer linked .

Since then, I have come to think about savings myself rather than general theory.

You realized that money, the "thing that controlled you," was just a number and was just virtual, so you were free to start with money.

Asada: I understand it in theory, but I'm still afraid of running out of money because I haven't experienced that feeling of liberation ...

For example, if you get married or have children, can you stick to that idea?

Shinmei P, I'm actually married

Shinmei P: I think it's better to save money on a purpose-based basis, rather than "I have to save money because I'm worried somehow ."

Certainly, if I had a child, I might not be in the same stance as I am now.

However, because it is the R25 generation who has no children yet, it means, "If you become poor, now !?"

Asada: Now if you're poor.

Shinmei P: I think it's a good idea to try once while the risk of becoming poor is low. When.

If you are a challenge virgin, the hurdles will rise more and more, and you may become a conservative for the rest of your life .

If you can dig in without hesitation, you may have a life where you can challenge even if you have children. With that in mind, I also hurriedly became poor!

Asada: Finally, can you give us a word that pushes the back of someone who has heard the story so far and is thinking, "Maybe I should be poor?"

Shinmei P: I don't recommend it to everyone! (Smile)

However, as a matter of fact, it is more fun to be free from money.

There are surprisingly many people of the same generation who have a feeling like me. I think there has never been a time when there were so many people who sympathized with this way of life .

Asada: It's a rational survival strategy that can only be achieved now that we are physically rich.

Shinmei P: The feeling of being obsessed with money should diminish in the future. If a person 30 years later reads this article, what is normal? I think I say (laughs) .

Rather than general theories such as "you have to save money" and "you have to raise your annual income", by following your own voice, your behavior will not be regulated and your life will be more enjoyable. I wonder if such a state is happy.

At the beginning of the interview, Asada said, "Do you really want to be poor? What did you say?", But as the story progressed, I was strangely convinced that ... It was a complicated way back home. Actually, I worked as a salaryman at three companies, but I've just started out as a freelance writer, and now I'm the happiest in my life, which is the most unstable. As Shinmei P said, other assets are highlighted when the annual income drops and becomes poor. From now on, it seems necessary to save "assets other than annual income" so that you can get jobs and things.

By the way, I wore two layers of Shinmei P and yellow hoodie. He's a strange person ...

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